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Jared Diamond on how nations learn lessons from crises... or not

By Kobo • November 13, 2020Kobo in Conversation Podcast

"If individual countries solve their COVID problem but COVID remains anywhere else in the world, all the rest of us will get re-infected. So COVID requires a global solution, just as smallpox required a global solution, just as climate change requires a global solution."

Jared Diamond, author of Guns, Germs, and Steel, joined us to talk about his new book, Upheaval: Turning Points for Nations in Crisis. In this wide-ranging discussion Jared speaks about the COVID-19 crisis, as well as authoritarianism, and the need for nations to have the humility to see their errors -- and hopefully learn from them.

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Upheaval: Turning Points for Nations in Crisis by Jared Diamond

In his international bestsellers Guns, Germs and Steel and Collapse, Jared Diamond transformed our understanding of what makes civilizations rise and fall. Now, in his third book in this monumental trilogy, he reveals how successful nations recover from crises while adopting selective changes -- a coping mechanism more commonly associated with individuals recovering from personal crises.

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